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E.O.D.H. QUESTION: WHAT IS THE REAL PROGRAM OF GOD FOR THE SEVENTH SEAL/SEVEN THUNDERS? - RESPONSE LETTERSHeretical Articles Nos. 247 -260
CHAPTER TWO
Question And Purpose
"What is that real program of God indicated by the prophet for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders from 1963 to 1965 on his messages? Can you please itemize the various steps, as he indicated them, the condition of the people's hearts, time, season, ministry, gift, and method of sending the revelation to the bride?"
The purpose of the above question is to establish in this work that if message ministers are ignorant or confused about the program of God for the revealing of the 7th seal/7 thunders, that their teachings are wrong. Every work of God has a program and anything that is contrary to it is presumptuous and heretical. Upon that basis all interpretations and propagations of the 7th seal/7 thunders around the world that lack such knowledge and program of God established by the prophet, are wrong. Some ministers declared that they do not know God's program and much less the revelation of the 7th seal/ 7 thunders.
Others express their understanding and are partially correct and allowed much room to be taught by the spirit. These collective response which are documented here represents ministers from U.S.A. India, Africa, Philippines and other countries:
RESPONSES:
"Actually I got NO IDEA how God's going to do it! The seal will open to us in the bride and I know that about 98% of the "message" folk will miss it a mile. I will continue to read in the exposition books you sent me. I don't think it will be an 8th man yet to say it is "the five fold" would put it into a GROUP of men which is what the return folks object to....yet it seem if these men get it from the Holy Ghost out of the message and it runs in the scripture and witnesses to the bride in mark 16 power a vindicated that it would be what God is going to do whatever it is, it will be vindicated with a body change! I'm still at draw in close to God and since I am primarily a book writer and not a minister I don't have anyone holding to my word on things....just live right and stay in the word as best you can and God will do the rest....if you want to send me any audio tapes on these things I will be glad to hear them."
· "I am not sure that there is a program of God for the revealing of the seventh seal/ seven thunders. The prophet never preached on it as far as I know."
· "There is no program for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders. I don't think anybody can prove that."
· "The program of God for the revealing of the seventh seal/ seven thunders has to do with the final messenger for the final age, and that messenger is Brother William Santiago."
· "I have never thought of this question before, but believe that there is suppose to be a program of God. Those who preach the thunders are supposed to be familiar with such a program. I do not believe that the seven thunders were revealed in 1963. I hope you can teach on this subject of the program of God very soon, as I have much confidence in your teachings."
· "I would not venture to bring out such a great revelation as I am ignorant of it, but the seventh seal must be revealed to the bride and we need to find God's program. Can you help me with the answer?"
· "I would not speak of things that I am not sure about. I depend upon you to teach me some of these things, though I am a minister and have God's sheep under my care."
· "Is there really a program for the seventh seal/ seven thunders? I don't think you can prove that, maybe I am wrong, but I never search this out."
· "Yes, everything that God does, he must have a plan and program, and there is no doubt that God has a program for the seventh seal/ seven thunders, but I must honestly admit that I do not know it and need to be taught."
· "As we all know from the scripture and from the message of the Malachi 4;5-6 that the 7th seal / 7 thunders was not revealed to our precious Prophet William Marrion Branham. Quote: "The seventh angel was to open the sixth seal mystery. Its all to be gathered up in the Son Of Man, His fullness of time has come to the fullness of His word to manifest the fullness of His body." Proving His Word 16 / 8/ 64."
· "Bro William Marrion Branham indicated certain real program of God for the revelation of the 7th seal / 7 thunders. Quote: "Now, you just be real humble, be a Christian, and try to live for God. And live honest with your fellow man, and love those who don't love you. Don't try to make any…You see, you do you only make it a mysterious something, and mess the REAL PROGRAM OF GOD up. See?" Page 411 Seven Seals Book. Prophet of God asking us to be HUMBLE, and LIVE for God to know the real of God."
· "The Prophet of God also spoke a parable in scientifical terms, how the program of God should be revealed to the true believers. Quote: "Look here. Let me show you something, see. Did you know there is ten thousands of voices in this room right now? Literally, voices of people that is coming through the electronic waves of radio! Why don't you hear them? They are voices. That's right? ["Amen"] they're waving right through here now. There is a peoples forms and bodies moving right through this room now. Is that right? ["Amen"] Well, why don't you see them? See? They're here, actual voices like my voice. Well, why don't you hear it? See? Now you understand? "Now you might make-believe that some body is singing this certain song. They might not even be there, see. But when it actually strikes the CRYSTAL that it's supposed to strike, then it gives a TRUE INTERPRETATION, and show, vindicates it by showing the picture. See what I mean?" Page 412 Seven Seals Book."
· "7th seal was not with Bro William Marrion Branham, the 7th earthly angel, but it was with the 7th flying Angel from heaven. This Angel had the secret of the 7th seal, which flew eastward. Quote: "And did you notice that one Angel, I said in there, was a strange Angel? He looked more to me than any of the rest of them. You remember that? They were in a constellation-three on a side and one on top. And the one right next to me here, counting from the left to the right, would have been the Seventh Angel. He was brighter, meant more to me than the rest of them. You remember, I said he had his chest out like that, and was flying eastward. You remember that? Here it is. One with the Seventh Seal, the thing that I've wondered all my life. Amen."
· "It required a prophetic gift for the revelation of the 7th seal / 7 thunders. Quote: "Now, we find out the corruption that hits in the seventh church age…But the seventh seal doesn't reveal anything, what's going to happen to it (see?), because at the end of that church age is to come a PROPHETIC GIFT to reveal these things. See? Are you following it? All right. New Ed. Page 417.It required the prophetic gift to reveal the revelation of the 7th seal / 7 thunder. But this was not the ministry of Bro WMB. There was two angels on the earth one was Rev 10 ;1 and other one was Rev 10 ; 7. One Angel was from the heaven called Mighty Angel and other one angel was from the earth called Rev 10 : 7."
· "May be this ministry, that I have tried to take people back to the word, has laid a foundation; and if it has, I'LL BE LEAVING YOU, FOR GOOD. There wont be TWO of us here THE SAME TIME. See? If it is, HE'LL increase; I'll decrease. I don't know" (Seven Seals Page 512).We believe Son Of Man is revealed and the real program of God is continuing by the ministry of the Son Of Man. But let us humble ourselves to the program of God, Amen."
· "The program of God, is the one which is divine. So to speak any thing concerning the program of God to reveal 7th seal/7 thunders, we should see if it is what the prophet said, and the prophet is the mouth of God, the pencil of the Lord."
· "According to me the first step for the real program of God is the prophet himself plus the work he accomplished before and after 1963 to prepare people's heart for the starting of the Laodicean age. That age needs a certain type of people because is the endtime. Read: {" the token" page 14 paragraph 87-96} the first program of God is the prophet with the sign that walks with him and he is the only one in the age to speak mouth to mouth, with God like Moses for Israel as Branham for our age. Any man that did not hear Moses and Joshua was out of the program of God. As now any man who at the opening of the 7th seal, not the revealing of the 7th seal, who should try to give his own interpretation on that seal will be in error."
· "When he came to this seal, all the declarations of the prophet were that it was a hidden thing and people discovered that this seal hid something ( the 7 thunders the third pull etc...) It was a non revealed seal. But the other previous six seal were revealed. So people started the time of waiting till 1965. when the beloved went to celestial place on the 24th-12-1965."
· "Other part of this program is that the 7th seal/ 7 thunders will be hidden to Satan, to demon and any creature to avoid any single sign on that seal to be imitate by Satan and his servants and the program of God been scattered."
E.O.D.H Responses to Humble Overseas Letters:
Thank you fellow laborers for your humble, simple sincere and gracious answers to my question. Yes, the program for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders was hinted off by the prophet on the seventh seal in 1963. He did not take this as a subject as we are doing now, but said enough to alert the sincere in heart. If he had done so, there would have been thousands of impersonators to that ministry before 1973. Some caught on to what the prophet hinted off, about that time. However all such impersonators have failed to work within God's program, hence the reason that we are now itemizing the program of God for exposition of such impersonators, irregardless if their names appear in this book or not.
The prophet -WMB-, said in many places what the thunders should accomplish for the bride in the end time, it is simply "rapturing faith". If the quotations included in this work will be carefully examined, you will understand that this is not my opinion but the teachings of the prophet from the written word.
If we will be realistic about the works of God and casually observe them in the scriptures, we will see clearly that God does not work outside of a program. He is a God of order. He has one great plan and goal to accomplish. All things that were created and all that happens in the word are to accomplish that great plan of God. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him." (Colossians 1:16).
There is an order of the moon, the sun, the stars, and the ocean. The wise man said, "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven." (Ecclesiastes 3:1).
GOD HAD A PURPOSE AND A HIDDEN MYSTERY
Quote W.M.B.: 17-1 "Now, God had a purpose and a hidden mystery. And that's what I want to speak on to the church this morning: the hidden mystery of God that He had in His mind before the world ever began…First, to express Hisself completely: God in Christ. Second, to have the preeminences by this in His Church (which is His Body, Bride) to... He could have the preeminence to express Himself through them. And thirdly, to restore the Kingdom to its rightly position that fell by sin by the first Adam, back to where He walked in the cool of the evening with His people, talked with them, fellowshipped with them." (Christ Is The Mystery Of God Revealed 63-0728). Top
HERETICAL RESPONSE LETTER TO QUESTION ON SEVENTH SEAL/SEVEN THUNDERS PROGRAM July 14th 2004Bro. Xxxxxx Xxxxx Conn. U.S.A.Heretical Articles Nos. 247 -260
One reply from CT USA varies from those above as it expresses many heresies and fell into the category of Satan's program. It compares with other famous heresies and satanic programs. Though I regard this minister as a friend and a brother, I must identify such private interpretations as heretical. Having exposed them as such to the minister, I am obliged to have it published in this work, which endeavors to gather all major heresies and expose them for the edification and deliverance of many souls, since it is intertwined into the 7th seal/7 thunders cult system
"Dear Brother Dalton Bruce, Now in answer to your question, "What is the program of God for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders?" here are my thoughts."
E.O.D.H Responses- September 13th 2004
In reply to your answer to my question, you will observe that I have numbered your main thoughts, concerning the program of God for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders and have given my answer under each section. My answers are in italics, so it does not become confused with your writings.
I trust that you will follow the spirit of friendship and fellowship in correcting items that are contrary to the word and message and the real program of God for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders, which will appear on my next book E.O.D.H. book 12 and at the same time making my points strong enough to establish truth as others maybe reading this literature. You are free to express your objections for my consideration. If you do not understand the light in which I speak concerning the various subjects that's quite alright. You are free to endorse your thoughts which will accompany my objections in the light of the real program of God which I have itemized. Such program will only be made public when I launch E.O.D.H. book 12 under that title. Pray for me as I continue to answer many letters of reply to my question from around the world. Peace be unto you.
Section#1: According to the quote you referred to, the 'Real Program of God' was already underway when Br. Branham was preaching the Seals
QA.ON.THE.SEALS.title JEFF.IN 63-0324M
458-4 {9} 005 …right among you, things are happening that…I know... that you don't see it. I'm just positive that you don't see it…you don't get it, and you're not supposed to get it. So don't try to interpret anything. Don't try to put your interpretation to it. You only get further away…it hooks right in with the Word. So you know it's THUS SAITH THE LORD…
E.O.D.H. Answer:"I am in agreement that the real program of God was already on its way at the preaching of the seals. This was hidden in the seventh seal message."
Section#2: | Heretical Article No. 247: |
He tells the people they don't know what this program is and they aren't to come up with their own interpretation of it. But he assures them that he does know what it is.
458-6 {12} …Don't put your own interpretation to anything. […] 'cause you'll only wind yourself away from the real thing when you do it. […] there's something mysterious happening […] It's something that's tremendous, and it's gone right now, and there's not a way in the world for you to see it…But so help me, with this Bible in my hand, I know what it is .
E.O.D.H.Answer:"Brother Branham is not telling the people, by these quotations, that they don't know the program of God. He is telling them that something mysterious is happening, and they don't know it, but he knows it. This mysterious happening was going on right through the preaching of the seals, before the prophet ever touched on the seventh seal. On Questions and answers, he said that it is gone right now and there is not a way in the world for you to know it. To prove that point, the program of God for the revealing of the seventh seal/seven thunders is yet in the seven seals book, and remains there up to this time. It has not gone. I am not saying that the people understood the program of God. The majority were ignorant; hence my question on the program of God to ministers around the world."
Quote W.M.B.: 231-5 {20} "Now, you'll just remember that there is something happening that I--I hope you're catching it. See? There--there--there's something happening. I just want to test this church one time and see if they could actually pick up something before it actually taken place." (The third seal 63-0320).
Section#3: | Heretical Article No. 248: |
Next he makes an interesting statement, "It's been told to you before" Then on page 460-6 he states, "If you can understand it, this is that third pull. You should've caught that the other day."
459-2 {13} 007 It's been told to you before, so just don't try to put any interpretation […] you only make it a mysterious something and mess the real program of God up. Yesterday afternoon something happened in my room that I'll never be able to leave it…And about two weeks ago something happened that'll never be able to, as long as I live on this earth, I'll never be able to get away from it.
E.O.D.H. Answer:
WMB's Statement: "It's been told you before" does not refer to the program of God, third pull etc., but that he told them before not to put any interpretation.
TREMENDOUS, MYSTERIOUS HAPPENING GONE,
NOT A WAY FOR YOU TO SEE IT
Quote W.M.B.: 459 (1) "I'm not saying that. It's the grace of God that lets me know what it is. It's something that's tremendous, and it's gone right now, and there's not a way in the world for you to see it, But so help me, with this Bible in my hand, I know what it is." (Ques. & Ans. on the seals 24/3/63).
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It's not that anyone's interpretation of the Seventh Seal would literally "mess up the real program of God" but that it would mess it up for the individual who's attempting to interpret it. This can be seen throughout the entire quote with warnings such as, "Don't try to put your interpretation to it. You only get further away," "'cause you'll only wind yourself away from the real thing when you do it," "you twist yourself out into something there, and then you're off the beaten track," "because you take yourself away from God." Probably the most important warning the prophet gives us is, "Yesterday afternoon something happened in my room that I'll never be able to leave it." Here he was referring to a special visitation of the Pillar of Fire in which he sees how some of his followers are going to misinterpret his words and end up going through the Tribulation period. This represented one of the folds of the threefold Seventh Seal.
E.O.D.H. Answer:"The above is strictly an assumption. While it is understood that many followers of the message will misinterpret the message and end up in the tribulation. There are no scriptures nor quotations to support that this is one of the folds of the three folds of the seventh seal. The first fold, Brother Branham left with the church. He connects the seventh seal with the seven thunders and the coming of the Lord. The second fold he kept to himself; and the third fold was in an unknown language, which was not revealed to him.
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459-5 {16} 008 …the church here [is] not supposed to know these things, so don't put no interpretation to anything. You just go ahead and just remember what you're told; live a Christian life. […] And especially tonight, when that Seal becomes up in front of you. Just don't try to interpret it. You just go ahead and just be humble and go right on with the same plain message…
In the quote above, it would be presuming to say that the Seventh Seal is different than the 'same plain Message.' In fact, it is my understanding that the Seventh Seal is the Message of William Branham. He did not instruct the people to "STAY with the same plain message" rather he said that when the Seventh Seal comes up in front of them to "GO AHEAD…and GO RIGHT ON with the same plain Message!" They were not to avoid the Seventh Seal they were just to avoid interpreting it.
460-2 {20} 009 …there's been so much cults and clans rise up over little outpourings of the Spirit until people gets all worked up in a bunch of stuff, go out and start another little move…you don't want to do that now…
E.O.D.H. Answer:"It is presumptuous to say, that the seventh seal is the same plain message. This is in direct conflict with the statements of Brother Branham. If that is true, Brother Branham would have said so, and not say that the seal is not revealed, because the plain message was already preached for more than thirty years.
SEVENTH SEAL HASN'T OPENED YET - THAT'S HIS COMING
Quote W.M.B.: "That Seventh Seal hasn't opened yet, you know; that's His coming." (Feast of the Trumpets 19/7/64).
SEVENTH SEAL TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH COMING OF CHRIST
Quote: 182 "This Book's already opened (That's right) just waiting for the Seventh Seal to be identified with the coming of Christ." (What shall I do with Jesus 63-1124M).
SILENCE HALF HOUR, SEVEN THUNDERS, HOW HE IS COMING
HE HASN'T REVEALED YET
Quote: 17-3 057 "And that's the reason there was silence in heaven for a space of a half hour. And Seven Thunders uttered their voices, and John was even forbidden to write it (See?)--the coming of the Lord. That's one thing He hasn't revealed yet, of how He will come, and when He will come…He has showed or revealed it in every type that's in the Bible. (Christ is the mystery 28/7/63).
Quote: 75-3 {49}"These Seven Seals has the Book sealed… Now, that's a different from the Seven Thunders." (The breach 63-0317E).
The above quotations prove that the plain message is not the seventh seal; it's the coming of the Lord.
This statement is taken out of context of the seventh seal message, to mean that he was going to deliver the revelation of the seventh seal that afternoon. It is simply saying, when he speaks of the seventh seal tonight. The seventh seal message is with us for anybody to understand that he said that the seal was not opened."
CHECKED TO STOP, REASON SEVENTH SEAL NOT REVEALED
Quote W.M.B.: 564 (3) Now, I'd better stop right here. See? I just feel checked not to say no more about it. See? So just remember, the Seventh Seal, the reason it was not opened (See?), the reason He did not reveal it, no one should know about it. (New Ed. Page 509 (301-302)). (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
WHAT THIS GREAT SECRET IS, I DO NOT KNOW
I KNOW IT'S THEM SEVEN THUNDERS
Quote: 567 (1) "Now, notice. So help me, by God I tell the truth, that these are spiritually discerned to me (See?), discerned by the Holy Spirit. And by every one of them, has identified his place in the Bible. Now, what this great secret is that lays beneath this Seal, I do not know. I don't know it. I couldn't make it out. I couldn't tell it, just what it said. But I know that it was them seven thunders uttering themselves right close together, just banging seven different times, and it unfolded into something else that I seen." (New Ed. Page 512 (322-323)) (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
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Next he tells us how God intends to reveal the Seventh Seal. God will send it to us, not when WE want to know it, but when HE wants us to know it. When He does send the revelation of the Seventh Seal it must first strike 'something,' just as a voice from the fourth dimension strikes an antenna on a radio before anyone can hear it. On Sunday morning, March 24th, while dealing with Questions & Answers on the Seals that Voice was present in another realm (see below). Also, the "antenna" was available which was the prophet of God himself. But not until that afternoon did the 'Voice' actually strike the 'antenna' as he was studying for the Seventh Seal.
460-4 {23} 010 …it's got to strike something first to reveal it…So just don't interpret nothing. If God wants you to know anything, He will send it to you; so just be real, real solid now. Hold still. Something has happened…
E.O.D.H. Answer:
HE HID SEVENTH SEAL FROM US - NO ONE KNEW -COMING OF THE LORD - SEVENTH SEAL-HE WOULDN'T PERMIT US TO KNOW
Quote W.M.B.: 33-3 The Lamb took His Book when the Seventh Seal, just ready for it to be opened--the Sixth Seal. Remember, He hid the Seventh Seal from us. He wouldn't do it. When the Angel stood day by day telling it, but then He wouldn't do it on that one. Said, "There's silence in heaven." No one knew. It was the coming of the Lord. (Souls in prison now 11/11/63).
The prophet said, up to 1964/1965, that the voice never struck his antenna; and never said anywhere that it hit his antenna that afternoon when he was studying the seventh seal, or he would contradict himself when he stated many times that the seventh seal was not revealed to him. See quotes above.
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The Voice and presence of God that could reveal the Seventh Seal was right there ready to do it. And that afternoon in the prophet's study He did just that. However, the entire Seventh Seal was not revealed to Br. Branham that day; but just enough to start its unfolding.
460-6 {24} 011 ...You remember, there'll be no impersonation like there was of the other two. So that's as far as you should know. Now just remember that you see now there's something taking place in this room, and there's something here... There's actual in this room, Angels, Voice of God…but…If you can't hear the natural voice without something to send it out, how are you going to hear the spiritual Voice?
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"There was an unknown language that veiled the third fold of the seventh seal, and Brother Branham did not disclose the second fold that was revealed to him. He said "it will start in secret, he don't know how and when it will be broken." How could the unfolding continue without the interpretation of the unknown language?"
Quote W.M.B.: 567 (3) "I'm only telling you what I seen and what has been told to me, and now, you do whatever you want to. I don't know who's going to-what is going to take place. I do not know. I just know that those seven thunders holds that mystery, that heavens was quieted. (New Ed. Page 512 (325) to 513 (328)) (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
THIRD PULL, TWO GREAT THINGS UNFOLDED,
ONE THING IN UNKNOWN LANGUAGE, I CANNOT INTERPRET
Quote: 564 (2) And in Sabino Canyon, He said, "This is the third pull." And there's three great things that goes with it, and one unfolded today, or yesterday, the other one unfolded today, and there's one thing that I cannot interpret, because it's in an unknown language. But I was standing right there and looked right straight at it, and this is the third pull coming up. And the Holy Spirit of God... Oh, my. That's the reason all heaven was silent. (New Ed. Page 509 (299-300)). (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
I LOOKED FOR INTERPRETATION, I COULDN'T MAKE IT OUT,
HOUR ISN'T QUITE YET FOR IT
Quote: 567 (2) Then when I seen that, I looked for the interpretation that flew across there, and I couldn't make it out. That's exactly right, friend. See? (New Ed. Page 510 (323-324)). (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
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Br. Branham himself was that 'something' through which the Voice of God would be sent. He was the crystal through which the 'true interpretation' with 'vindication' came.
461-1 {27} …when it actually strikes the crystal that it's supposed to strike, then it gives a true interpretation and vindicates it by showing the picture…the Spirit of God, when it speaks through the true Word, It vindicates Itself to show Itself that It's right…
461-3 {29} 013 Heavenly Father, we are about to open the lids of this Book as the physical part of trying to give back to what You have opened to us in the spiritual realm. And now, I pray, God, that You will help me to give the right interpretation to these questions…And I pray that You'll give to me understanding that I might send it out to Your people that they might have understanding…
E.O.D.H. Answer:"The quotation to support the above statement is pulled out of context to mean the interpretation of the seventh seal. The prophet is praying about giving the right interpretation to the questions he was about to answer. He was not even speaking on the subject of the seventh seal that night, but strictly questions and answers. On the following night the prophet said, "It was in an unknown language and he could not interpret it. This is in direct conflict with what the prophet said."
Section#9:
God's real program for revealing the Seventh Seal is to send His Word to His prophet who in turn sends it to God's people that they might be fortified with it.
God's program today is to send His Word to His Bride through His vindicated prophet William Branham.
God's program is the Message of Br. Branham unfolding to the Bride. (Fresh manna and food in due season)
The next step in the real program of God today is to have a restored Bride manifest the Third Pull in the fullness of its power.
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"I have carefully reviewed all quotations below, that were given to support the program of the seventh seal/seven thunders. None directly supports this subject. However, they are supportive to the fact that God always works through a program. Two important quotations, I will borrow and employ here to support my question about the seventh seal.
E-54 054 …We ought to study the Scripture. We ought to find out what God's program and plan is…(Remembering the Lord 63-012).
E-60 060 Yeah, Moses looked by faith. And the man today who sees God's program does the same thing: looks by faith…(Look 63-0428).
That's the point that I am making by my question, that the followers of the message, along with the ministers, claim to know the revelation of the seventh seal, and do not know the program of God, because they fail to search the scriptures and the message. There is a program of God for each age, and there is a program of God for the Bride age and the seventh seal/seven thunders, as Brother Branham rightly stated in the following quotation."
E-54 Victory.Day.Title Sierra.Vista.Az 63-0421 167 Evening.Messenger.Title Mesa.Az V-8 N-5 63-0116 E-45God.Hiding.Himself.In.Simplicity. 63-0412e 103 World. Is. Falling. Apart. Title Ny.Ny V-18 N-10 63-1115 58 World. Again. Falling. Apart. V-17 N-4 63-1127 135 Token.The.Title Shreveport.La V-17 N-6 63-1128e78 Sirs. We. Would. See. Jesus. V-19 N-8 64-0304 E-43 Calling. Jesus. On. The. Scene. 64-0319 E-58 Look. Title Phoenix. Az 63-0428 E-22 Awakening.Jesus.Title Tempe.Az 63-0117 E-14 Voice. Of. The. Sign. Title Beaumont. Tx 64-0313 E-54 Remembering. The. Lord. Title Phoenix.Az 63-0122 E-60 Look. Title Phoenix. Az 63-0428 E-54 Victory.Day.Title Sierra. Vista.Az 63-0421
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"Only a major prophet can be a divine interpreter of the Word therefore when anyone else tries to interpret God's Word he only succeeds in 'messing up' the real program of God. When anyone tries to interpret Br. Branham's Message they are messing with the program of God. "
"Adam was Eve's vindicated prophet for her day and yet she listened to another man's interpretation. It produced a twin revival. Abraham was Sarah's prophet and yet another interpretation produced Ishmael.
54 Seed.Not.Heir.With.Shuck V-6 N-4 65-0218-
God's program can be interrupted or delayed but never stopped. Ishmael was an interruption in the true program of God. Seth and Isaac were God's true interpretations. But always God utilizes a prophet to reveal His secrets. This is His program.
532-5 Seventh.Seal.The.Title Jeff.In 63-0324e
DEUTERONOMY 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.
AMOS 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
E-10 IDENTIFIED.CHRIST.OF.ALL.AGES 64-0401
When God raises up a prophet to whom the Word can come others also rise up and try to get into God's program by making themselves interpreters of the Word.
77 GOD.WHO.IS.RICH.IN.MERCY V-19 N-2 65-0119."
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"This statement is erroneous. The apostles were not Major Prophets, and the Christian church is built upon the doctrine of the apostles and prophets, and Peter was given the keys to the kingdom of heaven {revelation} and he directed the hundred and twenty by various revelations in the upper room, concerning the first coming of Christ, type of the seventh seal, he was not a major prophet and declared Christ's first coming."
When the question came up in Antioch about circumcision (Acts 15), the apostles interpreted the Word, and James stood up in the midst of them, and all harkened unto him. He was not a major prophet."
"And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me:… Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood." (Acts 15: 13-23)
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Conclusions: A summary of the "Real Program of God"
1. The Seventh Seal could only be revealed through a vindicated prophet. (see above)
2. That vindicated prophet was William Branham. The Seventh Seal is his Message.
3. The Seventh Seal and the Third Pull are one and the same.
4. The Seventh Seal is made up of three folds.
5. One fold was revealed to him on March 23rd while he was studying the Sixth Seal.
6. Another fold was revealed to him on the 24th just prior to preaching the Seventh Seal.
7.The last fold was partially revealed to him which had to do with the Seven Thunders. When he states that the Seventh Seal is not revealed this is the part he is referring to.
8. It was revealed to him WHAT the Seven Thunders are but not WHAT THEY SAY.
9.It was revealed to him that the Seven Thunders would utter their voices at the literal Second Coming of Jesus Christ, which is yet in the future.
10. In the mean time (between 1963 and the Second Coming) the Bride will continue gathering and waiting for the moment in time when the last fold of the Seventh Seal will unfold. Just like the Day of Pentecost when the true believers had gathered under the Word for their day. The one-man ministry had come and gone. A direct revelation from Heaven came to 120 believers all at the same time. So will the Seven Voices of the Seven Thunders come directly to the Bride at the very end of time.
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"We are back to the original question: "Who interprets the unknown language for the third fold of the mystery to be revealed to the Bride. From your projection, only a major prophet receives a revelation. Is the Bride a prophet? This program and plan for the seventh seal is in direct contradiction to Amos 3:7 and your former projections.
The hundred and twenty did not receive a revelation on the day of Pentecost. Jesus said, 'Ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you.' The revelation came to them after the resurrection of Jesus. The scripture said, 'Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.' (Luke 24:45).
I notice you have the gathering of the Bride by the first two folds of the seventh seal. The prophet said the thunders gather them. It shows that the thunders was in operation before the quickening for the rapturing grace.
IT'LL GIVE FAITH FOR THAT RAPTURING GRACE
FOR THAT CHURCH TO MOVE OUT
Quote W.M.B.:142-1 {166} "He'd been commissioned to write everything he seen. But when these seven thunders over in Revelations 10 uttered, he said, "Don't write them at all." They're mysteries. We don't know what they are yet; but my opinion they'll be revealed right away. And when it do, it'll give faith for that rapturing grace for that Church to move out… I'll reveal it in that day. Don't write it at all, John, 'cause they'll stagger over it. Just let it go. (See?) But I'll reveal it in that day when it has need to done." (First seal 18/3/63).
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"This is my understanding of the real program of God so far. Whereas some Message believers feel that the Seventh Seal isn't opened at all and others believe it's completely opened I believe it is only partially opened."
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"The prophet stated nowhere in his message that the seventh seal is partially opened, but he frankly stated: "It is not revealed and he don't know it, but it is the coming of the Lord."
WHAT THIS GREAT SECRET IS, I DO NOT KNOW
I KNOW IT'S THEM SEVEN THUNDERS
Quote W.M.B.:567 (1) Now, notice. So help me, by God I tell the truth, that these are spiritually discerned to me (See?), discerned by the Holy Spirit. And by every one of them, has identified his place in the Bible. Now, what this great secret is that lays beneath this Seal, I do not know. I don't know it. I couldn't make it out. I couldn't tell it, just what it said. But I know that it was them seven thunders uttering themselves right close together. (New Ed. Page 512 (322-323)). (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
MAKE NO ISM - TO THIS TIME IT ISN'T OPENED,
PROMISED IT WOULD BE OPENED
Quote: 577 (2) And now, if this tape would happen to fall into the hands of some persons somewhere, don't try to make any kind of an "ism" out of it. The only thing you do, you just continue serving God, because this great secret is so great that God wouldn't even let John write it. It thundered out, but He... knowing that... promising us that it would be opened, but to this time, it isn't opened. (New Ed. Pages 521 (400)). (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
The above quotations proved that there is no reference to Brother Branham saying that it is partially opened. He said and proved by the first fold of the mystery given to him, where the seventh seal revelation was hiding, and it was the coming of the Lord. That is not the revelation of the seventh seal, but it is telling what revelation it is holding.
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The First Fold of this Seal is the 'opening of the Word' which began in 1963 at the preaching of the Seven Seals.
SEVENTH.SEAL.THE.title JEFF.IN 63-0324E
576-3 {394} 131 …That much we have a understanding of it today, because the rest of it is all unfolded, but this is not unfolded. But setting in my room, and I seen it unfold to this seven thunders. Now, that's as far as we can go right there. And now I trust that each and every one of you will serve God, and do that which is right, and love Him all your life and serve Him, and God will take care of the rest.
ANOINTED.ONES.AT.END.TIME. V-5 N-3 65-0725M
262 189 Notice the very day when this messenger, not when he starts on the…but when he begins to declare his Message. The First Pull, healing; Second Pull, prophesying; Third Pull, the opening of the Word, the mysteries revealed. There's no more higher order to reveal the Word than prophets. But the only way the prophet can be a-vindicated is by the Word. And remember the Third Pull was the opening of them Seven Seals to reveal the hidden Truth that's been sealed in the Word…
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"Nowhere did the prophet say that the first fold is the opening of the Word. He plainly said that it holds the secret of the coming of the Lord and the thunders.
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The Second Fold is coming soon, which will take place at the time of the 'Squeeze.' What is this next fold? It'll be the Bride demonstrating the power of the spoken word and preaching to the totally lost.
LOOK.AWAY.TO.JESUS. V-2 N-17 63-1229E
6-1 016 So now, I am going to say something to you now, that I haven't said all along. And that is, the thing that we have looked forward to for so long, or at least many years, four or five years or maybe longer, the third pull has now been vindicated, and I'm sure you all know what it is. Now, remember, there'll never be any impersonation of that, 'cause it can't be…Now, it's in existence, and I am warned of this, that soon, right at this time now, it's just happened, so it could identify its presence among you. But it will not be used in a great way, until this council begins to tighten up. […] when that time comes, when the squeeze comes down, then you'll see what you have seen temporarily, be manifested in the fullness of its power.
6-3 017 …it's going to be used. And everyone knows that for as certain as the first was identified, so has the second been identified; and if you'll think real closely, you who are spiritual…the third is properly identified. We know where it is. So the third pull is here.
6-5 018 It is so sacred that I mustn't not say much about it, as He told me in the beginning. […] It speaks for Itself. I've tried to explain the others, and I made a mistake. This will be the thing that, to my opinion (I don't say the Lord tells me this.)--this will be the thing that will start the rapturing faith for the going away…
7-4 020 And now, on persons like ourselves, we're going to be cut out of all that altogether. That's exactly, because they won't be able to do it. It's tightening; and then when that time comes, and the press comes to a place to where you're pressed out, then […] watch the third pull then. It'll be absolutely to the total lost, but it will be for the Bride and the church.
SOULS.IN.PRISON.NOW. V-2 N-22 63-1110M
42-4 136 …[Jesus'] First Pull, He healed the sick… His Second Ministry, He was prophesying. His Third Ministry was preaching to the eternal lost.
E.O.D.H. Answer:"Brother Branham never revealed or declared the second fold of that seal to the public. It was not revealed or made known to the followers of the message. It is presumptious to claim to know what is that revelation. The prophet also said that it is for the Bride and the church." (Taking sides with Jesus).
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After the showdown is over and the Bride has been purged of all make-believers and unbelievers the last fold will come to pass. With the power of the Third Pull increasing the Seven Thunders will utter their voices to the pure Bride and the Resurrection and Rapture will be in full swing.
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"This is the cart before the horse. Showdown don't come after the thunders. Thunders brings the showdown. Elijah had a revelation. The showdown followed the revelation.
Section#16:
PERFECT.FAITH. V-6 N-11 63-0825E
FIRST.SEAL.THE.title JEFF.IN 63-0318 When these seven thunders over in Revelations 10 uttered, they'll be revealed right away. And when it do, it'll give faith for that rapturing grace for that Church to move out. SECOND.SEAL.THE.title JEFF.IN 63-0319 UNITING.TIME.AND.SIGN. V-6 N-10 63-0818 all of a sudden, you'll see appear before you, your loved ones that's gone on has come to unite with you again. And we'll be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye.
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"Yes, the thunders do more for the Bride in the endtime, than the one hundred and twenty. It brings the Token (Headstone) and gives her rapturing faith etc. The prophet said that the seventh thunders cap the pyramid and bring again the headstone. It produces a super church. {sirs is this the time}, {spoken word is the original seed}
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E.O.D.H. Answer:
"The first fold is not the opening of the Word. The prophet said it is the coming of the Lord held in the seven thunders and it is not revealed. The revealing of the word was the event of the opening of the seals. The second fold is not preaching to the total lost. It was not revealed by Brother Branham to the church and none should put their interpretation to it. The third fold which is the thunders is not only rapturing faith to quicken the bride, but it has to do with the hearing of the Word. Faith is an understanding that comes to the Bride by the hearing of the Word by a God sent preacher: "Through faith we understand." (Hebrew 11:3). "How shall they hear without a preacher?... So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:14-17). It goes to show that the seven thunders is in operation before the Bride receives her quickening power.
There are many other things which the seven thunders are supposed to accomplish before the final quickening of the bride. They are as follow:
MYSTERY LAYING BEHIND SEVEN THUNDERS
Quote W.M.B.: 557 (4) "that's what the mystery is laying behind those seven consecutive thunders rolling out… It is the secret that no one knows about. (New Ed. Page 503 (248)). (The seventh seal 24/3/63).
Quote: 47-1 "… the pyramid is capped by the seven thunders… the Headstone comes to cap off the church… Is this the mystery of the thunders that will bring back the Headstone?" (Sirs is this the time 30/12/62).
NEW NAME REVEALED IN THE THUNDERS
Quote: 158-3 {283} "And Jesus, His Name on earth was Redeemer, Jesus. When He was on earth, He was the Redeemer; that's true. But when He conquered death and hell, and overcome them, and ascended on high, He received a new Name. That's the reason they holler the way they do and don't get nothing; it'll be revealed in the thunders." (First seal 18/3/63)
SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE CHURCH - NEW NAME
Quote: 158-4 {284} "Notice, the mystery. He's coming, riding... There's got to be something to change this Church, you know that… Notice. No man knowed but Himself." (First seal 18/3/63)
WAKES THE BRIDE UP AND BRINGS HER REVIVAL
Quote: 253-2 {182} "The--the Bride hasn't had a revival yet. See? There's been no revival there, no manifestation of God to stir the Bride yet. See? We're looking for it. It will take those seven unknown thunders back there to wake her up again. He will send it. He promised it… Now, she was dead." (Third seal 20/3/63).
THUNDERS WILL SLICE AND CUT - POWER TO CLOSE THE HEAVENS CAN CALL FOR A HUNDRED BILLION TONS OF FLIES
Quote: 304-1 {179} "Wait till them seven thunders utter their voices to that group who really can take the Word of God and hand it there. It'll slice and cut. And they can close the heavens; they can shut this or do that, whatever they want to. He will be slayed by the Word that proceeds from His mouth; it's sharper than a two-edged sword. They could call for a hundred billion tons of flies if they wanted to. Whatever they say's going to happen, because it's the Word of God coming from the mouth of God." (Fourth seal 21/3/63).
THE THUNDERS WILL ISSUE THE THING PRETTY SOON
POWER TO CONQUER THE FOURTH HORSE RIDER
Quote: 322-4 {314} "And He's got wrote, "Life," riding on a white horse, and here's a man with three different powers mixed up, called death, gathering his earthbound delegates, and Christ is gathering His heaven-born subjects, saints. He's got death wrote on him; Christ's got Life wrote on Him. Those with Him are on white horses also, and they are called "the chosen before the foundation of the world," …riding right along, coming down to meet Him. They know the thunders will issue the thing 'course pretty soon. See?" (Fourth seal 21/3/63).
BRINGS THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD - HIDEOUS SIGHTS, LOCUSTS
Quote: 22-5 "And He said there would be hideous sights upon the earth: locusts with hair like women, long hair to haunt them women that cut their hair. Teeth like lions, stingers in their tails like scorpions... They will torment men months. Just wait till we get in to open those plagues and seals and them seven thunders. Watch what takes place. Oh, brother, you better get to Goshen while there's time to get to Goshen. Don't pay any attention to this outside." (And Knoweth it not 15/8/65).
REVEAL GREAT HIDEOUS THINGS
HIDEOUS SIGHTS THAT'S COMING UPON THE EARTH
Quote: 19 "And to see this nervous age that we're living in... And last week's tapes, I think, will reveal to you the great hideous things that we're going to speak on one of these days when we can get a place sufficient, of the opening…those Vials, rather, pouring out of the Vials, and the Seven Thunders... And those hideous sights that's coming upon the earth." (Christ is revealed in His own Word 22/8/65).
ONE OF THE MOST DREADFUL TIMES TO GO THROUGH THAT EVER LAID BEFORE HUMAN BEINGS
Quote: 149 "But we've got one of the most dreadful times to go through that ever laid before human beings. Now, I'm just waiting for the hour…where I can speak on those plagues and things that's to fall in the days…if the Lord let's me live to do it and will inspire me to do so. See how those things will be dropped in and those thunders, then you'll find out what that man and them people has been dreaming about and all these things there; it'll come to pass." (Christ is revealed in His own Word 22/8/65).
REVEALS TO THE CHURCH HOW TO GO
Quote: 53-2 'If it's coming time that the revelation of the seven thunders will be revealed to the church, how to go, I don't know. I have just stated what I saw." (Sirs is this the time 31/12/62).
GETS THE BRIDE TOGETHER FOR RAPTURING FAITH
Quote: 128-2 {75} "And then there's coming forth seven mysterious thunders that's not even written at all. That's right. And I believe that through those seven thunders will be revealed in the last days in order to get the Bride together for rapturing faith; because what we got right now, we wouldn't be able to do it. There's something we've got to step farther; we can't have enough faith for Divine healing hardly. We've got to have enough faith to be changed in a moment and be swept up out of this earth, and we'll find that after a while, the Lord willing, find where it's written." (First seal 18/3/63).
IT'LL GIVE FAITH FOR THAT RAPTURING GRACE
FOR THAT CHURCH TO MOVE OUT
Quote: 142-1 {166} "But think…He'd been commissioned to write everything he seen. But when these seven thunders over in Revelations 10 uttered, he said, "Don't write them at all." They're mysteries. We don't know what they are yet; but my opinion they'll be revealed right away. And when it do, it'll give faith for that rapturing grace for that Church to move out…But I imagine when them mysteries begins to come forth... God said, "Hold it back now. Wait a minute. I'll reveal it in that day. Don't write it at all, John, 'cause they'll stagger over it. Just let it go. (See?) But I'll reveal it in that day when it has need to done." (First seal 18/3/63).
Quote: 225-6 {350} "God, help our unbelief. Take it away from us, Lord. We want to receive rapturing grace. We want to be able when that mysterious thunder thunders out yonder, and the Church is taken up, we want to be ready to receive it, Lord." (Second seal 19/3/63).
SOMETHING TO LET US KNOW HOW TO ENTER INTO RAPTURING FAITH - OUR VILE BODIES ARE GOING TO BE CHANGED
Quote: 46-1 "And when the mystery's finished, the Angel said, "Time shall be no more," and seven thunders throwed their voices out. What if it is something to let us know how to enter in to the rapturing faith. Is it? Will we run and leap over walls? Is there something fixing to happen, and these old marred, vile bodies are going to be changed?" (Sirs is this the time 30/12/62).
UTTER OUT SOMETHING THAT THE LITTLE GROUP
WILL RECEIVE A RAPTURING FAITH TO GO IN THE RAPTURE
Quote: 51-5 "Is that really them seven thunders fixing to utter out something that the little group that He's gathered together will receive a rapturing faith to go in the rapture when He comes; for we'll be changed as quick as those Angels come: in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and shall be caught up together with those that is asleep to meet the Lord in the air." (Sirs is this the time 30/12/62).
HOLDS THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD HE HASN'T REVEALED YET
Quote: 17-3 057 "that's the reason there was silence in heaven for a space of a half hour. And Seven Thunders uttered their voices and John was forbidden. the coming of the Lord. That's one thing He hasn't revealed yet, of how He will come, and when He will come. It's a good thing that He doesn't. No. He has showed or revealed it in every type that's in the Bible" (Christ is the mystery 28/7/63).
SEVENTH SEAL TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH COMING OF CHRIST
Quote: 182 "This Book's already opened (That's right) just waiting for the Seventh Seal to be identified with the coming of Christ." (What shall I do with Jesus 63-1124M).
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