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THE REVELATION OF THE GODHEAD
Questions Nos. 654 to 664
CHAPTER TWENTY-SIX
Question #654 : "When was this
scripture fulfilled: "The Word became flesh"? Is it at Jesus birth or at BAPTISM
AT JORDAN RIVER?"
E.O.D.H. Answer: Jesus was born
the Word. From the time the Word took on flesh, that's when it was fulfilled. He
was born the Emmanuel; God with us.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God… And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
truth." (St. John 1: 1, 14).
Quote W.M.B.: "Finally, those words of God anchored in
the womb of a virgin and she conceived and brought forth Emmanuel."Unto us
a--a Child is born; unto us a Son is given. And His Name shall be called the
Counselor, the Mighty God, the Prince of Peace, the Everlasting Father." That
had to be that way, because God had spoke it through the mouth of His
prophet." (Things that are to be 65-1205 P: 20).
Question # 655: "Also concerning
the Godhead, can you tell me the difference between the Father and the son?
Brother WMB said the Father came to dwell in the Son, only at Jordan till
Gethsemane. So explain why He was still God?"
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
truth." (St. John 1:1-14).
The revelation of the Godhead is the greatest revelation in the Bible, and
the Prophet of God called it the revelation of supreme deity.
IF PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THE TRUTH OF THE GODHEAD, BUT FIGHT IT; THEY
CAN'T EVER SEE THE REST OF THE TRUTH
Quote W.M.B.: 309-1 "If people can't see the TRUTH of
the Godhead, but fight it; they can't ever see the rest of the truth because
the REVELATION IS JESUS CHRIST IN HIS CHURCH AND HIS WORKS IN THE MIDST OF THE
CHURCH FOR THE SEVEN AGES." (Church Ages Book).
Quote: 332-3 "Christ did not come down to make Himself
known. He did not come to reveal the Son. He came to reveal and make known the
Father. He never talked about two Gods; He talked about ONE God. And now in
this last age, we have come back to the capstone revelation, the
most important revelation of Godhead in the whole Bible, that is, JESUS IS
GOD, HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE: THERE IS ONE GOD, AND HIS NAME IS THE LORD
JESUS CHRIST." (Church Ages Book).
When we say, "Godhead", we are not speaking of three persons in the Godhead
as the Trinitarians. When we say "Godhead", we are speaking of God who is one
God.
Jesus Christ was born Almighty God, crying in a manger. (Matthew 1:23).
"Christ the Lord." He is Emmanuel. The Father indwelt Him with the power of
the Holy Ghost on the banks of Jordan to begin His public ministry. He was not
God only at Jordan. He was born God - Lord, Elohim. Emmanuel, God with us.
Sons have beginnings, but the Father is eternal. God is a Spirit but Jesus
was a man. God cannot die or sleep. Jesus slept and died. Jesus could do nothing
without the Father showing him.
God, the Eternal Spirit, that has no beginning, that could not sleep or die,
indwelt Jesus, who had a beginning and could sleep and die.
The reason that He was God before the banks of Jordan is that he was the
Word, and the Word is God and the Word was made flesh, and He was born the
Christ. St. John 1:1-14. 1 Timothy 3:16: "God was manifested in the flesh."
This is where many of the followers of the message made their mistake. They
think that the flesh man Jesus is God. The flesh is not God. God was in
Christ.
Question # 656: "What is the
oneness doctrine and why did WMB say it is wrong?"
E.O.D.H. Answer: The Oneness
Doctrine appears to be biblical. Certain Scriptures are used, wrongfully, to
support its tenets, declaring that Jesus is not only the Son but also the
Father and the Holy Spirit; they try to prove one Godhead.
This is a fairly new movement that began around 1913; it is built on
heresies of the past, which began at Nicene council 325 AD. The basic
definitions of Oneness versus Trinitarianism are as follows:
Oneness - God is One, but not a plurality of three persons, and that the one
God is Jesus Christ. In other words, God is absolutely one with no distinction
of persons (Deut. 6:4; Gal. 3:20) because Jesus Christ is all the fullness of
the Godhead incarnate (John 20:28; Colossians 2:9). The Father, the Son (Word)
and the Holy Spirit are only three manifestations or modes or titles that Jesus
manifests Himself.
My question to all Oneness believers or 'Jesus Only' people is, how could
Jesus be his own father? Jesus said that God was his Father and God said that
Jesus was His only beloved son (John 3:16). Now how could a son be his own
father? This doctrine that says that Jesus (the son) is his own father is
heresy.
This understanding of God is called oneness, which is an organizational
belief that the flesh man is God, the Father and the Holy Ghost. Please
understand that this is the doctrine that many are embracing with a
little twist around the message. They assume that they preach and believe
one God, but they are deceived by the oneness heresy. They fail to separate the
divinity from humanity.
Quote W.M.B.: 175 "Now, at the Nicene Council, they come
to two great decisions… they had two extreme views. One of them was a
triune God, a trinitarian. And the other one was a one God. And they both come
into existence and went out on two straight limbs, out like that. The
triunity became a place of a three-god person. The oneness became a
unitarian, just as far wrong as the other one was. So they both went on
limbs, but right in here reveals the Truth." (Revelation Chapter One
60-1204m).
Quote: E-96 "I different agree with the organization of
Pentecost that calls the Oneness like your finger is one. That's wrong.
Absolutely, it's wrong. Jesus couldn't have been His Own Father, and if
God is a Man, then Jesus was born sexual desire and not virgin birth. That
settles the whole thing. You see? If He's one like your finger's one, then
what? Then He was His Own daddy. How could He have been? That's wrong. He had
a Father, Jesus did." (Show Us The Father 53-0907a).
Quote: 404-196 "Now, somebody says, "Brother Branham is
a oneness." No, sir, I am not a oneness. I do not believe that Jesus
could be His own father. I believe that Jesus had a Father, and that was God.
But God dwelled and tabernacled in this body called Jesus, and He was
Emmanuel: God with us… And in Him dwelled the Fullness of the Godhead bodily."
(Questions And Answers 59-0628e).
Question #657 : "What is the
logos?"
E.O.D.H. Answer: It's a Greek
word for the "Word", which carries a double meaning of thought/expression. The
Logos is God in a different form. In the beginning was the logos- word. The
Logos was made flesh - John 1:14. The spirit of the Word, "Logos",
indwelt Jesus at Jordan. But Christ was the expression of God in the beginning,
and when He was made flesh in his son-Jesus Christ.
Question #658: "Please explain
Revelation 4:3 & Revelation 5:6. I am not fully understanding between God
and the Lamb, because God is not a trinity {or} dual, but one {Unity}. "Here we
are seeing God and the Lamb {Jesus}". Are they different or one? Help me
brother, please?"
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in
heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a
jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in
sight like unto an emerald." (Revelation 4:2&3). "And I beheld, and, lo,
in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the
elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes,
which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." (Revelation
5:6).
We are dealing with a very nice question here. You have said that you are
not understanding between God and the Lamb in these two Scriptures. You have
rightly said that God is not a trinity. Now God here, who is sitting on the
Throne, is God the Spirit, and the Lamb represents Jesus. Jesus was on the Altar
of Sacrifice in the Holy of Holies. He came and took the Book out of God's hand
(Spirit) and opened it.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God." (John 1:1).
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
truth." (John 1:14).
The Bible says that the Word, which was Christ/God, was made flesh. When was
the Word made flesh? It was made flesh when Jesus was born from the Virgin Mary.
This did not make a trinity of gods, but it was one God dwelling in the man
called Jesus.
To understand that mystery we must clear our minds from the oneness
conception of God and understand that God is a Spirit and Jesus was a man born
right. God indwelt Jesus. He was God; such can only be understood by Revelation
of the Holy Ghost {1 Corinthians 12:3 & Matt 16:13-16}. A revelation of the
Godhead separates the father and the son and yet unites them as one. The oneness
heresy cannot separate them and the Trinitarian heresy. It cannot unite them as
one. Rev chapter 4:5, the man Jesus, the lamb was separated from the spirit. He
came and took the book from God.
Question # 659: "Did Jesus
pre-exist, and what do you say about Proverbs 8? Why do people say that was
Jesus when the Bible was talking about wisdom? Though I believe it was Jesus, I
want an explanation about it in the light of Scriptures and the message."
E.O.D.H. Answer:
"Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?" (Proverbs
8:1).
The question is firstly, 'Did Jesus pre-exist?' NO, Jesus was born, he had a
birth date. He in himself is not the wisdom of God but Christ is.
"But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the
power of God, and the wisdom of God."(1Corinthians 1:24).
It says here, 'Christ, the wisdom of God.'
"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in
favour with God and man." (Luke 2:52).
"And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and
the grace of God was upon him." (Luke 2:40).
The difference is that Christ, who is the wisdom of God, came in Jesus, the
one that was born of Mary. He became Jesus the Christ.
Quote W.M.B.: 14-6 "… everything that had a beginning
has an ending; but it's the things that did not have a beginning that doesn't
end, the only things that's eternal. Therefore, I'd like to ask the question:
How could we ever make sense out of the word of the "eternal sonship" of God?
If He was a son, He had a beginning… how could He be a son and be
eternal, for son is a product of something?... --could not be an "eternal
Son." There's no such a thing: "eternal Son" of God. 'Cause if He never had a
beginning, then He cannot be nothing but eternal. But if He was a son, he had
a beginning; so He cannot be an "eternal Son." It was the Eternal God
manifested in a So… 'cause God is the only thing that's eternal." (Wisdom
Versus Faith 62-0401).
Question # 660: "Let me ask you
this, Jesus never pre-existed. Who then did Brother Branham said came out of God
at the beginning? Is it Christ, and then how did He come out of God? Is it one
God, but He divided Himself into two? Because WMB said a part of God came out of
him.
E.O.D.H. Answer: Yes, brother,
Jesus never pre-existed, he has a Father, God, the Holy Spirit - Luke chapter 1.
He had a mother, Mary. He was the tabernacle God indwelt.
To understand what happened in the beginning, John 1:1, you must first
understand that Jesus, only came into being from his birth, but Christ existed
before the Lord Jesus. He came out of God as the son of the spirit. Genesis
questions, he was not a second person, but God in a different form - John 1:1:
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God {in that form} and the
word was God." It does not say by this scripture that there were two; but
whatever went out of God was with God and very God-one God.
Question # 661: "What do you
make of WMB saying that the Father left the son at Gethsemane? God bless you as
you answer this questions."
E.O.D.H. Answer:
Quote W.M.B.: 34-5 "When God looked down upon the
body... (The Spirit left Him in the Garden of Gethsemane; He had to die a
man.)…God anointed that flesh, which was human flesh... If He'd went up there
as God, He'd have never died that kind of death; can't kill God." (Rising Of
The Sun 65-0418m).
This is the only quotation that I am able to find that seems to be saying
that the Spirit left the Lord at Gethsemane. However, there is no Scripture to
support this statement of Brother Branham. He said to stay with the Word. The
Word said that the Spirit left him on the cross. Let us stay with that. If we
carefully study the statement above, it sounds to me that Brother Branham is
referring to the cross, but happened to say Gethsemane. He was a human being and
subject to mistakes of these kinds.
In the following quotation, he said the anointing left Jesus. Jesus was
anointed by the Holy Ghost to perform His ministry of signs and wonders. He was
no longer in that ministry. He was getting ready to go to the cross, where God
forsook Him.
"How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and
with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were
oppressed of the devil; for God was with him." (Acts
10:38).
Quote W.M.B.: 88 "When He was--last cry, "Eli, Eli. My
God, My God," That was a man. "Why hast Thou forsaken Me?" In the Garden of
Gethsemane, the anointing left Him, you know, He had to die as a
sinner." (Manifested sons of God 60-0518).
Quote: E-42 "He became you, that you might become Him.
He become a sinner, a separated from the Father, when He
screamed, "My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?" He was separated from God in
His death, that you in your death might have God's Presence." (His
Wonders to Perform 58-0112A).
Question # 662: "What do you
think about this teaching, which says that Christ was not God until He came for
baptism? Bro. Jackson's message has this saying. As for me I don't believe that,
because the wise men worshipped Him. If He was not God before His baptism, the
wise men would have not worshiped Him. Worship belongs to God alone. What do say
about this? Beloved in Christ, do you have VCDS in stock? I want to have some
messages on VCDs and also see the brethren on screen. What was your last message
or the one you preached on Sunday? Jude 1:1-2."
E.O.D.H. Answer: In the process
of time the word {God} was made flesh - John 1:14. This is when Christ, the
word, God indwelt the Lord Jesus, the flesh man, in the form of the word that
made him "Jesus the Christ". At the Jordan, Jesus received the fullness of the
Godhead-baptism of the Holy Ghost without measure {John 5}. That did not make
him God. The word is God. The word was made flesh before the banks of Jordan.
Yes, at Calvary God who indwelt Jesus forsook him on the cross: "My God my
God why hast thou forsaken me?" This happened because Jesus became sin. He
was the crucified Lamb that was taking away the sin of the world. "He became sin
that we may become his righteousness". "God and sin cannot co-exist". He went to
Hell for that sin. On the third day God again indwelt him and he rose again from
the dead.
Question # 663: "Thank you for
the extract sent to me. I have read it. I believe there is one God. But my
question is that if God was talking to the Son, which I believe was the one, and
not an angel, does it not make them two?"
E.O.D.H. Answer: Your question is
appreciated. The understanding of the Godhead is by revelation. God has
purposely hidden that revelation in the Bible to confound the prudent and wise.
It's very little that you can do to explain it to people, especially
Trinitarians who are taught all their lives that there are three gods. They need
a revelation.
Yes, the Father spoke to the Son at the banks of Jordan. Trinitarians use
Matthew 3 to prove the trinity. The Father spoke from Heaven. The Holy Spirit
descended as a dove and the Son stood in the waters of Jordan. Yet there is one
God. Trinitarian concept is built upon the heresy that there are three persons
in one God, all equal in power. It's a lie! St. John 4:24 said that
'God is a spirit'; one God (1 Timothy 3:16 and John 1:1-14). That
one God, a Spirit, took on a robe of flesh in the man, Jesus. Jesus was the
God-man, because God dwelt in Him. This is the Sonship of God, a man, a
tabernacle, a body to dwell in. Yes it is another individual. The Bible called
Him the Firstborn from the dead, etc. But that thin line is that He is
not a second person in the Godhead, but the Son of God, very God, equal in power
with God, the Person of the Godhead (Romans 1 and St. John 14th chapter).
If you read the Scripture with that understanding, you will see that the
Apostles spoke of the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. Their understanding of
the Godhead is the same as I preach and explained above. God dwelt in His Son.
He was a man born right, the Son of man. He died because His flesh was not God.
He was God because of the Spirit that dwelt in Him. He ascended to Heaven and is
now on the Altar of Sacrifice. God the Spirit who dwelt in Him found more
bodies, 120, on the Day of Pentecost to inhabit. He is coming to indwell the
whole Bride by the Token. Yes, there are two, one is a man without any
power and the second is God Almighty. Put the two together, and make it God
manifested in human flesh, St John 1:14. The man Jesus spoke to the Father and
the Spirit spoke to the Son at intervals. Remember in explaining theGodhead that
the flesh of Jesus is not God, but yet, He was God because God dwelt in Him.
"No man can say that Jesus is the Lord (God), but by the Holy Ghost" (1
Corinthians 12:3).
Question #644 : "The prophet
said that Revelations 10:1 is Jesus. If he had been Him, John would have
recognized Him as "the Son of Man".
E.O.D.H. Answer: I think there is
a little misquotation of the prophet that Revelation 10:1 was Jesus. He did not
say it was Jesus. It's Christ in another form. In Revelation 5 He alone was
worthy to take the Book, and then in Revelation 10, He had the book in his hand,
in the form of an Angel, since He alone was worthy to take the Book. It could
not have been another, for no man was found worthy. Notice the connection. The
Book was closed in chapter 5 and opened in chapter 10, so it is the same one in
another form. The rock in the wilderness was Christ, Israel drank from that
rock. Christ was in the prophets.
"Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was
in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of
Christ, and the glory that should follow." (1 Peter 1:11).
The only time that we will see Jesus is when he appears for the rapture.
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