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Heretical Articles Nos. 738 to 745
CHAPTER SIX
Dear Brother Brian Kocourek,
Greetings in the name of our Lord
Jesus Christ, our soon coming King. I write in response to your letter dated
Our communications for the past years have been very enjoyable and christianlike. I endeavor to keep this same spirit of love and respect in this our first discourse and others to follow concerning Dr. Vayle’s statements on the seven church age book, which are inconsistent with the teachings of the prophet. We were unsuccessful in starting this discourse by written work with Dr. Vayle. He communicated by telephone, which was insufficient. I am so happy that you can represent him and your teachings. The Lord bless you.
Brother Kocourek:
E.O.D.H. Answer: I am the author of E.O.D.H. book 12. I am not aware of any assumptions not based on truth.
Brother Kocourek’s Fact Number One: Brother
Vaye was not a Doctor of Divinty from any school. He had only 6
weeks of post highschool education and was kicked out for teaching the young
men to speak in tongues at a Bible college.
E.O.D.H. Answer: Thanks for the information. I am sorry he had to be kicked out of school. Maybe those responsible knew that there is no scripture to support teaching anybody to speak in tongues nor prophesy.
Brother Kocourek’s Fact Number Two: Brother Branham gave him his title because
he sid that all the other ministries
at that time had there doctors of
divinity so he made br. Vayle his "Doctor Lee Vayle".
E.O.D.H. Answer: Yes, I respect that. I believe he had a good reason for doing so and I have adopted the same title for him.
Brother Kocourek’s Fact Number Three: Br. Branham said that If any minister or
laity had any questions concerning the Message to ask Lee Vayle. He never said
that about any other person.
E.O.D.H. Answer: That was very complimentary on behalf of Dr. Vayle.
Heretical Article No. 738: “Sister Meda Branham said that W.M.B. said
there is none who understands the message as Dr. Vayle.”
Brother Kocourek’s Fact Number Four: I talked personally to sister Meda Branham a few weeks before she passed away and she said that Br. Branham said, "there is noone who understands the Message like Lee Vayle"
E.O.D.H. Answer: That was very nice of Sister Branham to say so. However, I heard of this statement in a different light.
Brother Kocourek’s Fact Number Five: Although brother Branham said there was
only one thing he differed with br. Vayle on and that was cleared up when
brother Vayle realized that tribulation comes from the root word
retribution and he then instantly understood that God would never send His
elect through a retributive judgment for she has already been saved from the
judgment.
E.O.D.H. Answer: Thanks for the information. I wondered about it myself. I still wonder, how long after he came to that knowledge.
Heretical Article No. 739: “Everything in the C.A.B. is “Thus saith the
Lord.’”
Brother Kocourek’s Fact number Six: Brother Vayle told two people, br. Sydney
Jackson and Br. Wilard Collins that everything in that Church Age book is
"THus Saith the Lord."
E.O.D.H. Answer: Yes, I do believe,
support and contend that the revelation of the seven church ages as preached by
Brother Branham and documented in the church ages book is “Thus saith the
Lord!” However, there are a few major doctrines which are inconsistent with the
teachings of the prophet.
Heretical Article No. 740: “The
fourth seal has already taken place.”
Brother Kocourek: The problem as I see it
is that people do not undertstand thr
difference bwteen the revealing of
the seals and the actual manifestation of those seals.
As
example The first 4 seals took
place when satan through the Catholic church went forth riding on the
white, red, balck and brindle horse
or power. But the revelation of what that was did not occur until 1963 when the
seals were broken.
E.O.D.H. Answer: On your statement above you differed with the prophet’s teaching. He did not say that they all took place through the Catholic church, but that the fourth seal is not yet manifested and we are living at the beginning of that revelation when those horse powers are being combined together to be fully manifested.
PALE HORSE: THAT’S NOT IN OUR DAY; IT’S
THE SEAL FORETOLD
Quote W.M.B.: 306-6 {193} Watch... Rides a pale horse as he appears on his ride, this last ride. He's on his last now. Now, that is not in our day. That will be on down. It's the Seal foretold. 'Cause, see, the Church has done gone up when this happens. (The Fourth Seal 63-0321).
Thus this example to prove that the seventh seal was revealed but not yet manifested is not right.
Heretical Article No. 741: “The seventh seal was revealed but has not
yet taken place.”
Brother Kocourek: So there is a difference between the revealing of them and the
happening of them. The seventh seal
although revealed as to what it is, that is the coming of the Lord,"
although revealed has not yet taken place. neither has revelation 10:7 fully
finished yet because the part "time shall be no more" takes
place at the second coming.
So I hope you see
that there is a difference between the revealing (opening) and the fulfillment
of those seals. anyway, Parnell doesn't understand this so he tries to
marry tot two together to make them one and the same event. Ie: the opening of
the seals was the fulfillment of them, and this is his error.
E.O.D.H. Answer: I am sorry but I do not see that there is a difference between the revealing and the fulfillment of all the seals, especially the seventh seal. On the above declaration the prophet differed with you on doctrine, as it is contrary to his message. Itemized A, B, C, D as follows:
a.
REVEALED OR OPENED, BUT NOT MANIFESTED
E.O.D.H. Answer: Your statement, along with Dr. Vayle’s, is contrary, inconsistent and is in direct opposition to what the prophet stated. He said that the seventh seal/seven thunders were not revealed, and you are saying that they were revealed or opened but not manifested. Who is speaking the truth and who is lying? We believe the prophet. He spoke the truth in the name of the Lord.
Quote W.M.B.: 567 (1) So help me, by God I tell the truth… Now, what this great secret is that lays beneath this Seal, I do not
know. I don't know it. I couldn't make it out. I couldn't tell it, just
what it said. But I know that it was them seven thunders uttering themselves…
and it unfolded into something else that I seen.
… I looked for the interpretation that flew across there, and I
couldn't make it out.
That's exactly right, friend. See? The hour isn't quite yet for it…remember that I speak to
you in the Name of the Lord…. (The seventh seal
Quote: 564 (3) “The
Seventh Seal, the reason it was not
opened (See?), the reason He did not reveal it.” (The seventh seal
Quote: 576 (1) …we
don't know it, and it won't be known ‘til that time, but it will be revealed in
that day, in the hour that it's supposed to be revealed in.. (The seventh seal
Quote: 577 (2) And
now, if this tape would happen to fall into the hands of some persons
somewhere, don't try to make any kind of an "ism" out of it… to this time, it isn't opened. (The seventh seal
Quote: 568 (2) "One of the mysteries of that Seal, the reason
it wasn't revealed, it was seven thunders that uttered their voices.
(The
seventh seal
Quote W.M.B.: You think that little noise out here in
Quote W.M.B.: 564
(4)… “He's revealed all the six Seals, but it don't say nothing about the
Seventh.” (The seventh seal
Quote: “The seventh angel was to open
the six-seal mystery.” (Proving His Word
Quote: That
Seventh Seal hasn't opened yet, you know; that's His coming. (Feast of the Trumpets
Heretical Article No. 742: “The second coming of the Lord was
revealed.”
B.
THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD REVEALED
E.O.D.H. Answer: On this statement you also differed with the teaching of the prophet. You are saying that the second coming of the Lord is revealed. The prophet is saying it is not but will be revealed by the seven thunders. How and when, we do not know as yet. The seventh seal holds the secret of the coming of the Lord.
Quote: 17-3
057 “And Seven Thunders…the coming of the Lord. That's one thing He hasn't
revealed yet, of how He will come, and when He will come. It's a good thing
that He doesn't. No.…” (Christ is the
mystery
Quote: 575 (6) “Nobody knows when He's
coming. But there'll be…seven voices of these thunders that will reveal the
great revelation at that time.” (The
seventh seal
Heretical Article No. 743:
C. REVELATION 10:7 IS NOT FULLY FINISHED AS YET
E.O.D.H. Answer: Your statement about Revelation 10: 7 is alarmingly inconsistent with the teachings of the prophet and even Dr. Vayle. You are saying it is not finished as yet. He is saying it was fulfilled by the revelation of the seven seals mysteries.
Where are you applying Revelation 10: 7 to continue? Dr. Vayle said it was isolated to one man; Elijah, Malachi 4: 5-6.
Quote: 80 ...in the age of the seventh angel ... all the mysteries has been along the ages, should be revealed, made manifest... And He did it. His Words don't fail. (Shalom 64-0112).
Quote: 22-6 There's men setting right here in this building tonight was standing right there when it happened, and said the Seven Seals of the hidden mysteries of the entire Bible would be open and fulfill Revelations 10, that in the seventh angel's Message these things should come to pass. This day this Scripture is fulfilled before our eyes. (This Day This Scripture 65-0219).
Quote: 99-3 {212} Now, break the Seals and release all the mysteries to the seventh angel whose message is to reveal all the mysteries of God... All the mysteries lays in these Seven Seals. ...the seventh angel has to be a prophet for the Word of God to come to. No priests, popes, or anything else can get it. The Word don't come to such. The Word of God comes only to a prophet: always. Malachi 4 promised such. (The Breach 63-0317E)
Dr. Lee Vayle said that the prophet’s revelation is infallible and that Revelation 10: 7 is the only authority and William Branham was that man. If the prophet says that the seventh seal was not revealed, Dr. Lee Vayle has no voice. Based upon Church Ages page 328 from paragraph three onwards, Dr. Vayle said that there is only one prophet messenger to reveal the mysteries. He has come and gone. Where is the continuation of that? Dr. Lee Vayle can correct you on that. (Reference; page 156, paragraph 2, Smyrnaen Church Age – Church Age Book Cpt. 4).
Heretical Article No. 744:
D. “time shall be no more” Takes place at Christ’s second coming
E.O.D.H. Answer: This statement is opposite, contradictory and grossly inconsistent with what the Bible teaches and the interpretation of the prophet. He said it’s before the Book is revealed. Time does not run out at Christ’s second coming. Time continues to complete Daniel’s seventieth week. Time also continues to fulfill the one thousand year reign of Christ and His Bride. He said it takes place at the event of the seals. I believe him. You placed this scripture at Christ’s second coming. That is contrary to the message. Revelation 10: 1 had an open Book in his hand.
Quote W.M.B.: 76-2 {54} …this Book is not revealed until the church ages and denominational ages has run out, and there's time no more. See it? It's only revealed after church ages and denominational ages has run out. (The Breach 63-0317E).
Quote: 138-1 {142} What, that the hour has come that time shall be no more? The Angel is ready to set one foot on land and the other on the sea with a rainbow over Him, with feet, and say, "Time's run out." And besides that, He raised up His hand and swore that time would be no more when this happened. (The First Seal 63-0318).
Quote: 75-1 {47} And here He returns back in the 10th chapter after the coming time, that all the mysteries is to be finished, and the Seals are to be broke, and proclaiming that its time is no more. And he said, "When the seventh angel has begin to sound, then the mysteries should be finished and time for the Angel to appear. We're close, somewhere. That's right. (The Breach 63-0317E).
Quote: 74-2 (40) And when the Seals are broke and the mystery is revealed, down comes the Angel the Messenger, Christ, setting His foot upon the land and upon the sea with a rainbow over His head. Now remember, this seventh angel is on earth at the time of this coming. (The Breach 63-0317E).
Brother Kocourek: Therefore, br. Dalton, I am asking that you have these negative
attacks on brother Vayle stricken from this narrative on Don Parnell's
false teaching, because they are not based on the Church age book, but rather
his misunderstanding of the Church age book.
E.O.D.H. Answer: Therefore brother, in the light of all that you and Dr. Vayle teach in opposition to the prophet and his message on Church Age page 327, I feel that my statement below is justified. If you or Dr. Vayle can scripturally justify that statement and back it up by the teachings of Brother Branham, I will repent and fulfill your request to alter my statement on Heretical Article No. 284 E.O.D.H. Book 12. If not, I request that Dr. Vayle admit that such statement is his teachings and not the prophet’s. This humble act will bring deliverance to thousands of ministers of the message, and by extension hundreds of thousands of believers, since they sincerely but erroneously believe that to be the teaching of Brother Branham, Elijah the prophet.
KOCOUREK’S
OBJECTION - E.O.D.H. STATEMENT – BOOK 12; PAGE 89: 2004
Our precious Brother Vayle, we can see from the following quotations that he was not too clear, and in full agreement with scriptural doctrines taught by Brother Branham, even at the time of the editing of the Church Ages Book. It's possible that Brother Vayle has changed his misconception since that time, being now more matured in the Word. His rebaptism only took place in 1963, after the Church Ages were preached, and also the seals. Any person that loves Brother Vayle as we do, could very well understand that he did his best as a theologian, trying to edit a new message of Elijah the prophet, and some of his theology would have unintentionally been injected into the great and elaborate messages of the Church Ages. That does not give anybody the authority to establish other vital doctrines based upon such misconceptions, since they are inconsistent with the teachings and revelation of the prophet.
Quote:
W.M.B.: 194 "Brother Lee Vayle, if you get ahold of
this, here it is. That's the only question we disagree on; he believes the church will go through the judgment. I don't see
it. I don't believe it."
(Oneness
Quote: "Brother Lee Vayle was just here
today. I baptized him today in the baptismal service here today."
(Paul a prisoner
Quote: "Brother Lee Vayle, of course,
is a scholar and a Doctor of Divinity. He really earned his degree."
(Look away to Jesus
Heretical Article No. 745: “Don Parnell’s teaching that the thunders
were revealed and contained in the seals was not based on Dr. Vayle’s statement
of church age page 327.”
Brother Kocourek: Don Parnell hates brother Vayle and in no way bases his delinquent theology on some thing from
the Church Age book.
E.O.D.H. Answer: From my reading and
understanding of Parnell’s heresies, the main doctrinal idea for many of his
heresies are based upon the error that the seventh seal/seven thunders was
revealed and is contained in the seals (Church Ages page 327). If he hates Dr.
Vayle, he certainly did not hate his
interpretation of the seventh seal/seven thunders. Further to this fact,
most of the followers of the message and ministers believe and teach that the
seventh seal was revealed by the prophet, based upon that very quotation. All the major heretics from
Heretical Article No. 286:
Parnell, Clyde & Moore: 2) “1963 was a new ministry and the fulfilling
of Revelation 10:7… To show the two
ministries in the prophet’s life… the first part… the literal turning of
the heart by Revelation; first 6th
seal, second 7th seal.”
Quote: 327-1 "Now this messenger of
Malachi 4 and Revelation 10:7 is going to do two things. One: According to Malachi
4 he will turn the hearts of the children to the fathers. Two: He will reveal
the mysteries of the seven thunders in Revelation 10 which are the revelations
contained in the seven seals. It will be these Divinely revealed
'mystery-truths' that literally turn the hearts of the children to the
Pentecostal fathers." (
Brother Kocourek: Now,
contrast your statements with what Brother Branham said,
E.O.D.H. Answer: Yes
my precious Brother Koucoureck, I have honestly and faithfully compared my
statement concerning Dr. Vayle. Particular attention was given to the “Us” or “We” quotation of 1958 and the
rest of quotations where the prophet commended Dr. Vayle. Though they are very
outstanding, yet I cannot justify the statements of Dr. Vayle of church ages
page 327 merely by what the prophet stated about him in way of commendation.
You and others may choose to rely upon such statements, but I refuse to do so
knowing and can sufficiently prove that there are other teachings of Dr. Vayle
in the church age book which are inconsistent with the teachings of the
prophet. This subject will engage us
both in a friendly discourse, as we both have agreed.
I can very well understand your
disappointment in me. I am sorry, and if you can justify the statement of Dr.
Vayle (page 327), I will certainly not wait for the white throne judgment to
repent. I love eternal life enough, and I trust to spend eternity with you and
Dr. Vayle, with the rest of the Body of Christ. With due respect to you
and Dr. Vayle, I embrace the opportunity to start this discourse on doctrines
included in the seven church ages book, as soon as possible (ASAP); they are
inconsistent with the teachings of Malachi 4: 5-6, William Branham. [Editor:
The above refers to errors numbers one and two, documented earlier in this
booklet.]
QUOTATIONS OF W.M.B. BY BROTHER
KOCOUREK IN DEFENCE OF DR. LEE VAYLE
Identified Christ of all ages 64-0409 P:13
So if there's any questions, or anything, why, ask Brother Vayle. He'll
be able to help you in these questions.All right.
Anointed ones at end time 65-0725M P:139
Notice. Let me give you a little example. Look at those people who come
out under Moses' prophecy, come out of that organization, and come out of
everything under the prophecy, saw the great works, and wonders, and things
like that, and come up to the borderline of going in. Now, Lee, there comes
your name on the Book. See? You've got it fixed out. You got it. And
you that's not here and out in the--on the hook-ups. Doctor Lee Vayle setting
here, he's grammarizing this book of the Seven Church Ages, and the problem
come up, the question about your name taken off the Lamb's Book of
Life. See, it's puzzled a lot of ministers, but wait till you get the book;
you'll understand it if you just got any Light in you.Notice.
Now, you'll turn your head and won't even look at it if you don't want to see
it. Like my mother used to say, "You can't get blood from a turnip, 'cause
there's no blood in it."
JESUS CHRIST THE SAME 58-0323
P:0022 And if there's anything you lack of understanding,
something that you do not understand, my associate Brother Vayle here,
is available at all times to explain anything that
seems mysterious to you ministering brethren, or wherever you are, or any lay
member, anything. If there's a question, if we ever preach
anything, or do anything, that's not a promise of God in this Bible, you
got a right to come to us and ask us like
brethren. And we ask you to do that. We ask
you as our brothers and sisters to come to us.
We want to be servants of Christ. That's what we
represent the world around.
Now, show me one minister that brother
Branham referred to as US, or we and
told the ministers and laity to come to brother Vayle for the answers. But you
did not even bother to ask brother Vayle about this but wrote opinions that
degrade the man in the light of those who would follow your ministry. All I can
say my brother is that I am very disappointed. I expected better than this from
you, and don't wait for the white throne to make this right.
Audio letter to Lee Vayle 64-0500 P:18
Now, there was... Now--now look, Lee. Any of these things that I have
injected here... We think the book is
wonderful. So if--if it doesn't fit in, you think it would be unfitting
for a man to read it in this way I've got it fixed out here, then omit it. It's
your book, and I want you to write it. It's your opinion of being in the
meetings and what you've seen, and by tapes what you've heard, and so forth.
And I think it's a going to make a grand masterpiece for the meetings.
I think it will be one of the greatest assets that we've had since I've
been in the field, this book will be. And I'd like for it to be just
as dandy as could be.Now, these things that I'm saying, my brother, is not to
try to let you think that I know more about something than you. But it's just
in the spirit of better understanding, and fellowship, and... You know what I
mean?
E.O.D.H. Answer: The above audio letter from the prophet pertains to the book, “Twentieth Century prophet” and not the C.A.B. Pastor Kocourek falsely employed this statement to mean the church age book. Again we can see his fraudulent attitude displayed.